Comments for http://www.samepagesports.com Sat, 19 May 2012 16:32:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by toolkien http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1682 toolkien Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:53:01 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1682 Well on down the line, a lot of water under the bridge since this gem was tossed up, but still needs a rebuttal. Simply put, the Packers were a system team, and when Favre followed the system, and was safe with the ball as the West Coast Offense demands, things went good to great. A WCO QB should not have more than a 2.5 INT %. Favre had about a 3.3 % INT rate on average. The years he was under, were good years for the Pack, the years he was over, and well over, things went poorly for the team. The team had enough talent, a very good system to follow, and a good QB. But when that QB couldn't or didn't follow the system, bad things happened. Outside of the three years Favre played great ('95-'97 and had very low INT's) Favre had an 83 QB rating which is not good for a WCO QB. In the playoff runs outside of the '95-'97 window, Favre had a 77 QB rating, which included a 62 QB rating in the 8 playoff exit games. Simply, he threw too many INT's for the rest of the team to overcome. Not much else was different or changed from the regular season success to the playoff failures - just too many INT's. It's not a coincidence that in the year the Packers won it all in 1996, Favre had about 2/3rds the pass attempts he had in any other playoff run. That year the Packers were exceptionally good and didn't need Favre's arm much at all. Hence, a Super Bowl win. Favre used the Holmgren system and some fine talent to work toward all his personal records, he did supply the longevity. But all those numbers are regular season. But when the team needed a guy to play within himself and the system, Favre didn't come through pretty much ever. Well on down the line, a lot of water under the bridge since this gem was tossed up, but still needs a rebuttal.

Simply put, the Packers were a system team, and when Favre followed the system, and was safe with the ball as the West Coast Offense demands, things went good to great. A WCO QB should not have more than a 2.5 INT %. Favre had about a 3.3 % INT rate on average. The years he was under, were good years for the Pack, the years he was over, and well over, things went poorly for the team. The team had enough talent, a very good system to follow, and a good QB. But when that QB couldn’t or didn’t follow the system, bad things happened.

Outside of the three years Favre played great (’95-’97 and had very low INT’s) Favre had an 83 QB rating which is not good for a WCO QB. In the playoff runs outside of the ‘95-’97 window, Favre had a 77 QB rating, which included a 62 QB rating in the 8 playoff exit games. Simply, he threw too many INT’s for the rest of the team to overcome. Not much else was different or changed from the regular season success to the playoff failures - just too many INT’s. It’s not a coincidence that in the year the Packers won it all in 1996, Favre had about 2/3rds the pass attempts he had in any other playoff run. That year the Packers were exceptionally good and didn’t need Favre’s arm much at all. Hence, a Super Bowl win.

Favre used the Holmgren system and some fine talent to work toward all his personal records, he did supply the longevity. But all those numbers are regular season. But when the team needed a guy to play within himself and the system, Favre didn’t come through pretty much ever.

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Anonymous http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1669 Anonymous Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:07:31 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1669 PS. I forgot to add that what other quarterback was stupid enough to throw every pass as hard as they can even though the reciever was only 5 yards away? He broke their fingers and caused missed catches, There are times a hard throw is needed, but not all the time. And how many times did he have the ball fall out of his hand when he moved his arm back to thow it, I have only seen that a few times by all of the other quarterbacks combined. Wake up people! smell the coffee. Favre was a good quarterback, but far from the best!!! PS. I forgot to add that what other quarterback was stupid enough to throw every pass as hard as they can even though the reciever was only 5 yards away? He broke their fingers and caused missed catches, There are times a hard throw is needed, but not all the time. And how many times did he have the ball fall out of his hand when he moved his arm back to thow it, I have only seen that a few times by all of the other quarterbacks combined. Wake up people! smell the coffee. Favre was a good quarterback, but far from the best!!!

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Anonymous http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1668 Anonymous Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:57:42 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1668 You are stupid!!!!! Why don't you look at the stats per game, not the total of his career. He played more games than all the others, of course the total nimbers will be higher. Take a look at the %'s. I am so sick of Brett Favre lovers that are blinded to what reaaly goes on in the games. Have you really watched his performance in the 1996 Superbowl that the Packers won, not much to brag about there or in 1997. Favre never learned from his mistakes and always made an ass of himself, if the team was down by 21 points and they scored a touchdown he would run around with his index fingers in the air indicating that "were #1", far from it!!!! He disheartened the packers by throwing red zone interceptions after the defense busted their asses to get the offense the ball back and then the offensive players busted their asses to get to the red zone. After repeating this in so many games the team quits trying! I live in Wisconsin and am a Packer fan, and sure I was happy when we won the superbowl after so many years, but that will only carry you so far before you need to look at the reality. I wanted him to leave the packers since 1998 and was the happiest person in the world when he finally did. Aaron Rodgers is already kicking his ass and is way more intelligent and athletic. Rodgers, Montana and Marino all have better performance records than Favre, I stopped their since I found no need to go any further with other QB's like Elway etc... One last thing, his last name cannot possibly be pronounced like it has been, it has to be pronounced Faver, Favree or Favra, not Farve. You are stupid!!!!! Why don’t you look at the stats per game, not the total of his career. He played more games than all the others, of course the total nimbers will be higher. Take a look at the %’s.
I am so sick of Brett Favre lovers that are blinded to what reaaly goes on in the games. Have you really watched his performance in the 1996 Superbowl that the Packers won, not much to brag about there or in 1997. Favre never learned from his mistakes and always made an ass of himself, if the team was down by 21 points and they scored a touchdown he would run around with his index fingers in the air indicating that “were #1″, far from it!!!!
He disheartened the packers by throwing red zone interceptions after the defense busted their asses to get the offense the ball back and then the offensive players busted their asses to get to the red zone. After repeating this in so many games the team quits trying! I live in Wisconsin and am a Packer fan, and sure I was happy when we won the superbowl after so many years, but that will only carry you so far before you need to look at the reality. I wanted him to leave the packers since 1998 and was the happiest person in the world when he finally did.
Aaron Rodgers is already kicking his ass and is way more intelligent and athletic. Rodgers, Montana and Marino all have better performance records than Favre, I stopped their since I found no need to go any further with other QB’s like Elway etc…
One last thing, his last name cannot possibly be pronounced like it has been, it has to be pronounced Faver, Favree or Favra, not Farve.

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Anonymous http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1661 Anonymous Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:51:40 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1661 Young has Rice as receiver, but he only won one superbowl. Montana won 4 superbowls with and without Rice. He never threw interception during the 4 superbowls. So the argument that Montana is good only because he has Rice is incorrect. I bet even if Favre had Rice throughout his career, he would be like Young. He would have great stats, but when it came down to winning superbowl, he would screw up by throwing interception at the big moment. Young has Rice as receiver, but he only won one superbowl. Montana won 4 superbowls with and without Rice. He never threw interception during the 4 superbowls. So the argument that Montana is good only because he has Rice is incorrect. I bet even if Favre had Rice throughout his career, he would be like Young. He would have great stats, but when it came down to winning superbowl, he would screw up by throwing interception at the big moment.

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Anonymous http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1660 Anonymous Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:46:45 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1660 I still think Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time. When you have 2 min left with the game on the line, who do you want to be your quarterback? I will pick Montana anytime because he always shine in the biggest moment. That is why he is the greatest quarterback of all time. Favre threw too many interception in the biggest game. I think even if Favre has Rice, he might have a lot of touchdown. But he will still lose the biggest game at the biggest moment by throwing interception. I still think Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time. When you have 2 min left with the game on the line, who do you want to be your quarterback? I will pick Montana anytime because he always shine in the biggest moment. That is why he is the greatest quarterback of all time. Favre threw too many interception in the biggest game. I think even if Favre has Rice, he might have a lot of touchdown. But he will still lose the biggest game at the biggest moment by throwing interception.

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Hermydragon http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1657 Hermydragon Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:45:32 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1657 I assume by "in his prime" you would be referring to 1992-1995, since he had 55% accuracy with a 15-24 win-loss record from 1985-1991 and was knocked out of the playoffs by Favre 1995-1997. The greatest receiver of all time may have had something to do with the 49ers QBs being among the most accurate of all time. Jerry Rice showed up in 1986 and the 49ers offense was ranked #1 or #2 for the next 10 years. The main similarity between Montana & Young is they threw over 1 out of 4 of their TD passes to Jerry Rice. The 49er's also had the #1 defense overall over this decade, usually ranked in the top 3. This is also a great benefit to QB ratings, which are substantially higher when ahead. If you combine the careers of Montana & Young, you'll find totals comparable to Favre's. A big difference is that while Favre has thrown twice as many TDs, he had new receivers just about every year. He's thrown TD passes to almost 60 different players, and his favorite target Freeman would have had to catch another 90 TDs to equal Rice. The only top 3 defense Favre had was the year they won the superbowl. Favre also played a majority of his career for a franchise that has had ONE winning season in the last 40 years in which he was not QB, while Favre has had ONE losing season in his career. Favre's average per game is about 35 yards higher than MontanaYoung, and his interception percentage is very similar to other QBs (e.g. Warner, Palmer, Cutler) who rank in the top 10 in career average completions per game. Their QB ratings are always lower, because this rating doesn't account for missed opportunities or requiring risky throws out of necessity. While lower than the MontanaYoung combo, Favre's completion percentage is actually among the all-time leaders. He is remarkably consistent game-to-game completing about 66%, but also has low percentage games due to the weather in Green Bay. Still his season low over 19 years is 56%. Young had 5 years of 52-53% completion accuracy (without Rice), and has had only 1 season higher than Favre's current percentage (68%) despite Favre learning a new system 2 years in a row. I assume by “in his prime” you would be referring to 1992-1995, since he had 55% accuracy with a 15-24 win-loss record from 1985-1991 and was knocked out of the playoffs by Favre 1995-1997.

The greatest receiver of all time may have had something to do with the 49ers QBs being among the most accurate of all time. Jerry Rice showed up in 1986 and the 49ers offense was ranked #1 or #2 for the next 10 years. The main similarity between Montana & Young is they threw over 1 out of 4 of their TD passes to Jerry Rice. The 49er’s also had the #1 defense overall over this decade, usually ranked in the top 3. This is also a great benefit to QB ratings, which are substantially higher when ahead.

If you combine the careers of Montana & Young, you’ll find totals comparable to Favre’s. A big difference is that while Favre has thrown twice as many TDs, he had new receivers just about every year. He’s thrown TD passes to almost 60 different players, and his favorite target Freeman would have had to catch another 90 TDs to equal Rice. The only top 3 defense Favre had was the year they won the superbowl. Favre also played a majority of his career for a franchise that has had ONE winning season in the last 40 years in which he was not QB, while Favre has had ONE losing season in his career.

Favre’s average per game is about 35 yards higher than MontanaYoung, and his interception percentage is very similar to other QBs (e.g. Warner, Palmer, Cutler) who rank in the top 10 in career average completions per game. Their QB ratings are always lower, because this rating doesn’t account for missed opportunities or requiring risky throws out of necessity.

While lower than the MontanaYoung combo, Favre’s completion percentage is actually among the all-time leaders. He is remarkably consistent game-to-game completing about 66%, but also has low percentage games due to the weather in Green Bay. Still his season low over 19 years is 56%. Young had 5 years of 52-53% completion accuracy (without Rice), and has had only 1 season higher than Favre’s current percentage (68%) despite Favre learning a new system 2 years in a row.

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]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Stanley http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1650 Stanley Mon, 04 May 2009 21:14:37 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1650 :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by Stanley http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1649 Stanley Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:07:54 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1649 Comparing Favre's interseptions to his touchdowns is like saying Cy Young wasn't the greatest pitcher because he has the most looses out of any pitcher ever. so suck on that! Comparing Favre’s interseptions to his touchdowns is like saying Cy Young wasn’t the greatest pitcher because he has the most looses out of any pitcher ever. so suck on that!

]]> Comment on Brett Favre: the greatest quarterback of all-time. by kdusna84 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1645 kdusna84 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:22:49 +0000 http://www.samepagesports.com/brett-favre-the-greatest-quarterback-of-all-time/#comment-1645 You cleverly phrase the touchdown stat as "more than 30". Most stats I see capture this as "30 or more." This discounts two years in which Marino threw for 30 touchdowns. Favre still has the edge, but it is not 7 - 2, it's 8 - 4. Favre also never threw for more than 40 touchdowns in a season. Marino's quarterback rating is slightly higher. If you classify a comeback win as one where the team was behind at the end of the third quarter, Marino has the most. As far as Super Bowls go, the Dolphin's were big underdogs against the 49ers. The Packers were big favorites over both the Patriots and Broncos, but only came away with one win. This despite a defense that was far better than any Miami ever had during the Marino years. This provided the offense with more opportunities. Not trying to make a case for Marino here. We could spend all day cherry picking facts to help make our case. It's a good idea to present all of the facts. I could do the same for Elway & Montana, but I think you get my point. You are welcome to think Favre was the best ever, but the bottom line is he has bascially been irrelevant for the last 9 years with the exception of an excellent 2007 season. Since 1999, his playoff record is 3 - 6 and he is now tied for the career lead in PLAYOFF interceptions. You cleverly phrase the touchdown stat as “more than 30″. Most stats I see capture this as “30 or more.” This discounts two years in which Marino threw for 30 touchdowns. Favre still has the edge, but it is not 7 - 2, it’s 8 - 4. Favre also never threw for more than 40 touchdowns in a season. Marino’s quarterback rating is slightly higher. If you classify a comeback win as one where the team was behind at the end of the third quarter, Marino has the most. As far as Super Bowls go, the Dolphin’s were big underdogs against the 49ers. The Packers were big favorites over both the Patriots and Broncos, but only came away with one win. This despite a defense that was far better than any Miami ever had during the Marino years. This provided the offense with more opportunities. Not trying to make a case for Marino here. We could spend all day cherry picking facts to help make our case. It’s a good idea to present all of the facts. I could do the same for Elway & Montana, but I think you get my point. You are welcome to think Favre was the best ever, but the bottom line is he has bascially been irrelevant for the last 9 years with the exception of an excellent 2007 season. Since 1999, his playoff record is 3 - 6 and he is now tied for the career lead in PLAYOFF interceptions.

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