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James Carr said in March 31st, 2008 at 1:21 am

I think another big factor has to be coaching. There are several examples each season of a team with great talent that underachieves and also a team with little talent that overachieves each season.
Looking at Duke over the past few seasons, they have certainly underachieved. With 7 McDonalds All-Americans on the roster, you’d think Coach K could advance to the sweet sixteen.
Also, as you mentioned, Davidson has proven that the big-time players aren’t completely necessary.
Overall, recruiting obviously plays a major role in each teams success and the teams that do it well are consistently in the top 25.

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Jason Galloway said in March 31st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Yeah James, Davidson doesn’t have any star players (Stephen Curry)

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James Carr said in March 31st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

I didn’t say anything about star players. Hell, UGA has a star player in Sundiata Gaines and they were 4-12 in the SEC.
When I said big-time players I was referring to highly recruited players like the article was talking about. Curry wasn’t a big-time player out of high school and certainly not highly recruited. Curry was only a 3 star and couldn’t even get an offer from Virginia Tech — where his father went and became the 15th overall pick in the NBA draft. Not many would have predicted his tournament eruption.

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Matt Waldman said in March 31st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Yeah the whole article was on recruiting rankings and how teams turn out. My whole point was that the teams that get it done in recruiting will get it done on the court, and though there are diamond in the rough players like Curry, generally the recruiting rankings will be accurate and will estimate very well how well a team will be when the players arrive on campus. Talent is more important than a system or coaching, though both play some role.

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Jason Galloway said in March 31st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

ok, so you meant big time players out of high school.

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dj paul said in April 1st, 2008 at 12:53 am

Stephen Curry = $$$$

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UNC1 said in April 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

I think it is ridiculous to say the reason that duke has not gone far in the tournament is because of coach K. The reason is the players do not perform well at all during the tournament. One can make the argument that Duke was one of the best 3 teams during the regular season.

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James Carr said in April 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Sure, Coach K isn’t the only reason, he’s just the main one. Who gets the players to perform? The Coach. It’s his gameplan, his scouting and his motivational speech that effect player performance.
And you could make the argument Duke was one of the best three teams, you’d just be wrong.

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mrwbball89 said in April 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 am

You could also make the argument that Norfolk State was one of the top 3 teams in the country. And as James said you would be wrong. You could make that argument for any team. Come on now, Duke had no inside guy that could hold Shawn Bradley’s jock strap this year. Were you high when you decided Duke was a good team? They almost lost to Belmont…Belmont. The ACC was no better than the Socon this year, and Stephen Curry proved that the coaches in ACC territory are also bad judges of talent, like Coach K has been lately.

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UNC! said in April 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

You are totally right i think coach K is a terrible recruiter, such as getting guys like Kyle Singler, John Scheyer,Demarcus Nelson and Gerald Henderson. They did very bad in the regular season……NOT. The players did not do well in the tournament and its not because of coach k. If it was then they would not have played well in the regular season.

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mattwaldman said in April 7th, 2008 at 2:43 am

Duke had a terrible out of conference schedule, and the ACC was the worst BCS conference in the nation this year. If they played in a decent conference, they would have had about 10 losses. Duke is the product of getting a lot of media attention, and having a greater home court advantage than anyone. That is why when they get on a neutral court, they are exposed as the average team they have become year in year out. They haven’t beaten a team higher than a 5 seed in the last 7 years…

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James Carr said in April 7th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Duke didn’t have that great of a regular season. They lost to Miami and Wake Forest, Clemson (lost in first round), Pitt (lost in second round). They beat an injured UNC team (congrats) and Wisconsin was overrated all season. Other than that, what’s on their resume? Basically, they cleaned up the nobodies in the ACC. Not too much to speak of.

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